How does one stop the people closest to them from suffering from hysteria? Since reading/listening to Yarvin, I’m watching events play out like he’s some kind of fucked up Nostradamus, feeling a surge of euphoria when things play out exactly as he says. Since becoming a Yarvinite, I’m about 5-0 in predicting how things will play out and yet those closest to me, my family, are constantly becoming wrapped up in the hysterics. When it subsides, and the larpers are taking selfie’s and carrying podiums, when Uncle Joe is officially minted as the next Caesar, it’s as if there’s still some looming cataclysm just around the bend. Would hypnotherapy work?
"How does one stop the people closest to them from suffering from hysteria?"
Easy. If they're "constantly becoming wrapped up in the hysterics," it's only because they think everything is real and serious. You must float the alternative possibility that everything is fake and gay---perhaps literally.
For example, I've spent the past couple days joking about Buffalo Boy and his sexual orientation. "That's a nice necklace, but if he were really gay his horns would have matching silver tips, no?" "Apparently he's an actor from Phoenix. Hmm..." That sort of thing. Our last exchange I closed with a screenshot of him bellowing "freedom" from atop the House stairs and captioned it, "Pictured: the most dangerous threat Congress faces in 2021." It's funny.
It's funny it's funny it's funny. Insist on this, against all seriousness, and you may demystify the ethereal threats haunting their psyches. You may also not be invited around a year from now, but hey---trade-offs, amirite?
Best advice/comment. I’ve been doing this, it’s hard when they have little to no sense of humor. But l will double down and dig my heels in. Thank you!
"How does one stop the people closest to them from suffering from hysteria?"
Your best option is to do nothing. If you try to wrestle the hysteria, it will dig itself in deeper. If someone wants to escape the fantasy it has to be their choice. From the perspective of those who are hysterical there has only been a leftward trajectory in their lifetime with no other plan. Curtis wants to build a life raft for a ship that is sinking, but right now there is none. Build a life raft and perhaps that will calm the hysteria.
Scott Adams - who is always telling us he is a trained hypnotist - had some advice for deprogramming a TDSer back in the day, but I think we are past that point. Certainly facts alone are useless! (Insert mandatory reference to Bezmenov and "Demoralization".)
Malice has some good questions to ask the hysterical. They don’t usually respond, even the trump people, they just clam up, glitch out, carry on like nothing was said. I’m not trying to change minds I just can’t stand the nervous energy. Remember what Crocodile Dundee did to the water Buffalo? That’s what I want to do.
Watching the day’s events, all I could think of were the energy knobs you wrote about. The energy necessary is non-existent. A dog chasing a car that wouldn’t know what to do with it if he caught it.
I actually, for the first time in a while, disagree. Not with the analysis that the Qapitol Stormers were serious examples of the dog that caught the car, but with the implication that this was a useless endeavour. What I saw yesterday was a Green Peace moment. While our plucky heroes had no chance of saving the republic, just like the unwashed Quakers and Hippies of GreenPeace had no chance or even any real understanding of "Saving the Whales", what they did do was mainline on some pure, unadulterated, raw POWER. Hundreds of thousands of right wingers now know what it is like to have their own Greta Thunberg march into the UN and (pointlessly) yell "How Dare You!". Many now will certainly be hooked. And a powerful movement absolutely requires some power addicts in order to function.
You might need power addicts to function, but are you getting them hooked on the right thing? You can get someone hooked on a stimulant, and applaud their ability to get hooked, but now you can't get them hooked on the depressant/ the stimulant you actually want.
Given the timing, this will just be another waste of energy - like occupy Wall St.
One reading of Occupy Wall Street is that it was a big spur in the ass for western oligarchs and their priests to fund and grow a horizontally focused, Divide and Conquer ideology. I speculate this was mostly accomplished through organic systemic incentives with a sprinkle of conscious planning.
Wokeness caught flame from the cooling embers of Occupy.
Occupy Wall street was so useful to oligarchs because it was so useless to those actually thrown under the bus. I find it weirdly majestic that a serious analytical examination of the economic system was ousted with race/sex grievance.
The unfortunate part of this whole episode is that This is what the left establishment elites have just been praying to have happen forever so they can straw-man the living shit out of anyone right of Neo-libs. Gosh the news was a masterclass in disingenuous piety and self righteousness yesterday. If people don’t have the attention span to recall how many flip flops they’ve made in just one year, then idk how much clearer it can be made than that and here at the 11th hour, these bozos come around and play to type and do all the re-obfuscating they wanted for them. Trying to remain detached though. I guess Every problem remains essentially the same as they did in January 5th, just a few inconvenience were added to the mix. Seems like we probably went from 85-90 in terms of civil unrest and then at night settled back to 88 or so out of 100. We’ve been about 75-88 all year anyway so what more could really go wrong realistically haha
Kantbot is a doxer wannabe pissant. If your writing indicates any more respect for him I'll strongly consider unsubscribing and getting my friends to unsubscribe. If you tolerate doxers, I don't trust you with my account info on this platform.
It's retarded to trust somebody who you know associates with untrustworthy figures. Then again, you are retarded, so what more should I have expected? For instance, you commented the following on the recent no-effort, no-brain-required shitpost "Socialism and capitalism are both fake:"
"Welcome, new 'post-leftists'!!!
Don’t worry. We don’t understand half of this stuff either."
It took me your comment to see it but "we have always been at war with Eastasia" is a blatant clue to the ironic inversion of precisely that rhetoric which was so heavily circulating around George Floyd's killing. Left says he was executed. Right says he was committing a crime, which he was (as was Ashli Babbitt), and some of them, the really, properly based of them, say he deserved it – for other reasons than the crime he committed. "Law and order matters" is simply too obvious to explicate.
"Right says he [George Floyd] was committing a crime..." Really? They do? Who are you thinking of? Jonah Goldberg? Ross Douthat? David Brooks? Douglas Murray? Who on the "right" has pointed out the many inconvenient facts that undermine the left's narrative about George Floyd's death?
The images of Salt-of-the-Earth people capturing the capitol and just *having fun* will be iconic and inspiring for many years to come. The american people, the real people, have shown their spirit. And that is not at all for naught.
> One ought to recognize that the present political chaos is connected with the decay of language
"Provided we are well equipped with substance, words will follow only too readily; if they won't follow willingly, we will drag them. I hear some making excuses for not being able to express themselves, and pretending to have their heads full of many fine things, but to be unable to express them for lack of eloquence. That is all bluff. Do you know what I think those things are? They are shadows that come to them of some shapeless conceptions, which they cannot untangle and clear up within, and consequently cannot set forth without: they do not understand themselves yet. For my part I hold, and Socrates makes it a rule, that whoever has a vivid and clear idea in his mind will express it, if necessary in Bergamask dialect, or, if he is dumb, by signs."
The problem with the right is that we Commoners are not that interested in power. Because in our lives of wiving and thriving and childing, power doesn't help. All that matters is to get to grandchildren before you die.
But the left has a faith that political power can be used for changing the world. It can, almost always for the worse.
However, I"d say that "protest" for the left has a useful purpose: to give their political masters the excuse for another government program. Because the rage of oppressed peoples.
But I believe we are seeing a slowly coming-into-focus of a Great Rebellion of Commoners.
Problem is: how do you rebel when you really don't believe in the saving truth of politics?
Nah, that's just what Gen X insults sound like. It's heartwarming that Yarvin hasn't forgotten how to swear like he just stepped off the set of Clerks.
What criteria would have to be met for the insurrection to have been successful? This essay seems to say that there is no possible way, as I read it. Great read by the way, always compelling thoughts.
Feels like you're overestimating people a bit, no? Those on the right who want to believe will assume the protestors made some small mistake. Those on the left (they all want to believe) will believe that the next insurrection is right around the corner. Nothing will change.
How does one stop the people closest to them from suffering from hysteria? Since reading/listening to Yarvin, I’m watching events play out like he’s some kind of fucked up Nostradamus, feeling a surge of euphoria when things play out exactly as he says. Since becoming a Yarvinite, I’m about 5-0 in predicting how things will play out and yet those closest to me, my family, are constantly becoming wrapped up in the hysterics. When it subsides, and the larpers are taking selfie’s and carrying podiums, when Uncle Joe is officially minted as the next Caesar, it’s as if there’s still some looming cataclysm just around the bend. Would hypnotherapy work?
"How does one stop the people closest to them from suffering from hysteria?"
Easy. If they're "constantly becoming wrapped up in the hysterics," it's only because they think everything is real and serious. You must float the alternative possibility that everything is fake and gay---perhaps literally.
For example, I've spent the past couple days joking about Buffalo Boy and his sexual orientation. "That's a nice necklace, but if he were really gay his horns would have matching silver tips, no?" "Apparently he's an actor from Phoenix. Hmm..." That sort of thing. Our last exchange I closed with a screenshot of him bellowing "freedom" from atop the House stairs and captioned it, "Pictured: the most dangerous threat Congress faces in 2021." It's funny.
It's funny it's funny it's funny. Insist on this, against all seriousness, and you may demystify the ethereal threats haunting their psyches. You may also not be invited around a year from now, but hey---trade-offs, amirite?
Best advice/comment. I’ve been doing this, it’s hard when they have little to no sense of humor. But l will double down and dig my heels in. Thank you!
"How does one stop the people closest to them from suffering from hysteria?"
Your best option is to do nothing. If you try to wrestle the hysteria, it will dig itself in deeper. If someone wants to escape the fantasy it has to be their choice. From the perspective of those who are hysterical there has only been a leftward trajectory in their lifetime with no other plan. Curtis wants to build a life raft for a ship that is sinking, but right now there is none. Build a life raft and perhaps that will calm the hysteria.
Scott Adams - who is always telling us he is a trained hypnotist - had some advice for deprogramming a TDSer back in the day, but I think we are past that point. Certainly facts alone are useless! (Insert mandatory reference to Bezmenov and "Demoralization".)
Malice has some good questions to ask the hysterical. They don’t usually respond, even the trump people, they just clam up, glitch out, carry on like nothing was said. I’m not trying to change minds I just can’t stand the nervous energy. Remember what Crocodile Dundee did to the water Buffalo? That’s what I want to do.
"Remember what Crocodile Dundee did to the water Buffalo?"
Beautifully put!
Have you thought about a trip to Vegas?
Oh thank you for the recommendation!
Watching the day’s events, all I could think of were the energy knobs you wrote about. The energy necessary is non-existent. A dog chasing a car that wouldn’t know what to do with it if he caught it.
Yes, but what if the dog is dressed as a Viking?
I for one welcome our new buffalo man overlords!
I actually, for the first time in a while, disagree. Not with the analysis that the Qapitol Stormers were serious examples of the dog that caught the car, but with the implication that this was a useless endeavour. What I saw yesterday was a Green Peace moment. While our plucky heroes had no chance of saving the republic, just like the unwashed Quakers and Hippies of GreenPeace had no chance or even any real understanding of "Saving the Whales", what they did do was mainline on some pure, unadulterated, raw POWER. Hundreds of thousands of right wingers now know what it is like to have their own Greta Thunberg march into the UN and (pointlessly) yell "How Dare You!". Many now will certainly be hooked. And a powerful movement absolutely requires some power addicts in order to function.
You might need power addicts to function, but are you getting them hooked on the right thing? You can get someone hooked on a stimulant, and applaud their ability to get hooked, but now you can't get them hooked on the depressant/ the stimulant you actually want.
Given the timing, this will just be another waste of energy - like occupy Wall St.
One reading of Occupy Wall Street is that it was a big spur in the ass for western oligarchs and their priests to fund and grow a horizontally focused, Divide and Conquer ideology. I speculate this was mostly accomplished through organic systemic incentives with a sprinkle of conscious planning.
Wokeness caught flame from the cooling embers of Occupy.
Occupy Wall street was so useful to oligarchs because it was so useless to those actually thrown under the bus. I find it weirdly majestic that a serious analytical examination of the economic system was ousted with race/sex grievance.
Will I have to be the first to say "Reichstag Fire"? Just a reflex.
The unfortunate part of this whole episode is that This is what the left establishment elites have just been praying to have happen forever so they can straw-man the living shit out of anyone right of Neo-libs. Gosh the news was a masterclass in disingenuous piety and self righteousness yesterday. If people don’t have the attention span to recall how many flip flops they’ve made in just one year, then idk how much clearer it can be made than that and here at the 11th hour, these bozos come around and play to type and do all the re-obfuscating they wanted for them. Trying to remain detached though. I guess Every problem remains essentially the same as they did in January 5th, just a few inconvenience were added to the mix. Seems like we probably went from 85-90 in terms of civil unrest and then at night settled back to 88 or so out of 100. We’ve been about 75-88 all year anyway so what more could really go wrong realistically haha
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Cringe
It's retarded to trust somebody who you know associates with untrustworthy figures. Then again, you are retarded, so what more should I have expected? For instance, you commented the following on the recent no-effort, no-brain-required shitpost "Socialism and capitalism are both fake:"
"Welcome, new 'post-leftists'!!!
Don’t worry. We don’t understand half of this stuff either."
Cringe
Puppies will die
BTW, "strongly consider" is an ironic understatement.
Mitarbeiter
"...a woman was killed—executed, basically, in fact. She was committing a crime, and deserved it."
Just like George Floyd - right?
Sorry, maybe I've missed it - but have you posted anything about how George Floyd was committing a crime, and therefore deserved to be killed?
It took me your comment to see it but "we have always been at war with Eastasia" is a blatant clue to the ironic inversion of precisely that rhetoric which was so heavily circulating around George Floyd's killing. Left says he was executed. Right says he was committing a crime, which he was (as was Ashli Babbitt), and some of them, the really, properly based of them, say he deserved it – for other reasons than the crime he committed. "Law and order matters" is simply too obvious to explicate.
"Dream against dream," indeed.
"Right says he [George Floyd] was committing a crime..." Really? They do? Who are you thinking of? Jonah Goldberg? Ross Douthat? David Brooks? Douglas Murray? Who on the "right" has pointed out the many inconvenient facts that undermine the left's narrative about George Floyd's death?
Mostly I'm thinking of my mutuals on twitter.
Precisely so. Nobody with a name.
You listed a bunch of leftists.
The images of Salt-of-the-Earth people capturing the capitol and just *having fun* will be iconic and inspiring for many years to come. The american people, the real people, have shown their spirit. And that is not at all for naught.
> One ought to recognize that the present political chaos is connected with the decay of language
"Provided we are well equipped with substance, words will follow only too readily; if they won't follow willingly, we will drag them. I hear some making excuses for not being able to express themselves, and pretending to have their heads full of many fine things, but to be unable to express them for lack of eloquence. That is all bluff. Do you know what I think those things are? They are shadows that come to them of some shapeless conceptions, which they cannot untangle and clear up within, and consequently cannot set forth without: they do not understand themselves yet. For my part I hold, and Socrates makes it a rule, that whoever has a vivid and clear idea in his mind will express it, if necessary in Bergamask dialect, or, if he is dumb, by signs."
Michel de Montaigne
Dream against dream...
The problem with the right is that we Commoners are not that interested in power. Because in our lives of wiving and thriving and childing, power doesn't help. All that matters is to get to grandchildren before you die.
But the left has a faith that political power can be used for changing the world. It can, almost always for the worse.
However, I"d say that "protest" for the left has a useful purpose: to give their political masters the excuse for another government program. Because the rage of oppressed peoples.
But I believe we are seeing a slowly coming-into-focus of a Great Rebellion of Commoners.
Problem is: how do you rebel when you really don't believe in the saving truth of politics?
You tell me.
>What? But he was supposed to be /ourguy/? Hey autists: this old fat fuck was running cons when you were sucking your mother’s dick.
Erm... don't you mean "sucking your mother's teat"?
Feel free to delete this comment once you've fixed it.
did you just assume my mothers gender?
Nah, that's just what Gen X insults sound like. It's heartwarming that Yarvin hasn't forgotten how to swear like he just stepped off the set of Clerks.
I assume it’s a reference to a lyric in the song 3-Minute Rule by Beastie Boys. If so, good taste. Paul’s Boutique is an amazing album.
Shit... you're right. I hadn't listened to Paul's Boutique before. tfw not Gen X enough for Gray Mirror
This post has not aged well. Except for the part about what a hysterical ninny Scott Aaronson is.
What criteria would have to be met for the insurrection to have been successful? This essay seems to say that there is no possible way, as I read it. Great read by the way, always compelling thoughts.
Feels like you're overestimating people a bit, no? Those on the right who want to believe will assume the protestors made some small mistake. Those on the left (they all want to believe) will believe that the next insurrection is right around the corner. Nothing will change.